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In previous appearances on this podcast and elsewhere, Pat Friman has told the story of Father Flanagan, founder of BoysTown. According to Pat, Father Flanagan often made the following statement when describing his philosophy of helping troubled youths: "there is no such thing as a bad boy, only bad environments, bad modeling, and bad teaching."

For the Spring 2021 issue of the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, Dr. Linda LeBlanc invited Pat to expand on these remarks in\\xa0the issue\'s lead paper. In this podcast, I\'m joined by both Linda and Pat, as well as Inside JABA regular, Dr. Claire St. Peter, where we talk at length about the "circumstantial view" of behavior as it applies to both clinical practice in particular, and societal trends more generally.

Specifically, we discuss the following:

• How this paper fits into LeBlanc\\u2019s \\u201cbig idea paper\\u201d concept.
• How \\u201cbig idea\\u201d papers are often conceptual rather than data based.
• Why Pat stopped presenting papers with original data, and why he started giving more thematic talks.
• The difference, from Pat\\u2019s perspective between giving a talk and writing a journal article.
• A brief history of BoysTown.
• Just what is the Circumstantial View of problem behavior?
• Some examples from Pat\\u2019s life where he failed to take the Circumstantial View of behavior.
• Why the Circumstantial View has failed to flourish?
• How supervisors can incorporate these views with trainees and other team members?
• Why it is important to tell a real-life story as a vehicle for explain a behavioral principles.
• Why Pat\\u2019s view of Walden Two has changed.
• Movies that demonstrate both the Circumstantial and Characterological View of behavior.
• And much more!

During this conversation, we discussed many papers and other resources. I\'ve done my best to capture all of them below:

• The paper that inspired this podcast,\\xa0"There is no such thing as a bad boy: The circumstantial view of problem behavior."
• The JABA Homepage.
• Pat Friman\'s appearances on Behavioral Observations (Session 10,\\xa0Session 16,\\xa0Session 42, and\\xa0Session 77).
• Goldiamond (2002). Toward a Constructional Approach to Social Problems: Ethical and Constitutional Issues Raised by Applied Behavior Analysis.
• Pat\'s TedTalk.
• The\\xa0short film\\xa0Pat referenced.
• The DailyBA clip we discussed (Pink Sweater/Didn\'t Know her Circumstances).
• This Way of Thinking (CE/Short film by\\xa0Team OnLocation).
• Session 72: Compassionate Service Delivery.
• Quotable Quote: \\u201cWhen a flower doesn\\u2019t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.\\u201d \\u2013 Alexander Den Heijer.
• Thinking Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman.
• A Clockwork Orange.
• Walden Two.

In keeping with previous Inside JABA Series podcasts, there will be no ads in this episode. However, this show happens to be eligible for BACB Continuing Education. So\\xa0click here\\xa0for more information. And, to help incentivize getting Pat\'s important message out there, I\\u2019m running a\\xa050%\\xa055% off sale\\xa0from now, through the first week of May, 2021. Use offer code\\xa0Boystown, to get more than half off any CEU in the Behavioral Observations catalog.

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