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Denise is a joyful ball of energy and talent. She speaks at conferences, writes books, and is an all around great person. I love her view on things and her balanced approach, but she does lean towards the high carb diet side. But here\\u2019s the thing - she advocates eating a lot of nutrient dense animal products, no sugar, grains, or vegetable oils - so a lot to agree with there. I want everyone to hear this to see an opposite approach and see if it might work for you. The Unifying Theory of Nutrition says things can work on both sides - so here\\u2019s the other one.

I still think it\\u2019s insane to expect people to live like a tribesman in the bolivian wilderness. You\\u2019re asking all of America to eat an ultra-clean Vegan diet plus organ meats. To maybe 99% of the population that sounds awful. Like the worst ever.

I didn\\u2019t agree on everything but I went along with it. In retrospect I could have challenged her more and I also want to see some studies that actually show this dietary approach works in a scientific setting. I could have brought up more of the points supporting low carb diet showing much better results in clinical trials and on lowering risk factors for heart disease, etc. but I didn\\u2019t want to argue and we already yammered on for almost 90 min.

So support the Food Lies film on Indiegogo and let\\u2019s hear what Denise is all about!

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Show notes

• Famous for her teardowns of things like the China Study, and vegan propaganda like Forks Over Knives and the book How Not to Die http://deniseminger.com
• Her story of ruining her health as a vegan
• Questioning the China Study and blowing over night
• She always questions dogmatic thinking in the nutrition world
• From her book \\u201cwe leave the classroom woefully unequipped with the thinking skills that matter most: how to balance open\\u2013mindedness with skepticism, how to identify bias, and how to challenge assumptions \\u2013 including our own \\u2013 in a way that\\u2019s truly objective.\\u201d
• Ancel keys and the story of how began thinking fat was bad for us
• The McGovern Report which prescribed America with a low-fat, high-carb diet.
• Why was meat demonized when it was and still is so highly regarded as prized source of nutrition?
• Confounding variables with meat-eaters. What are you eating with the meat? Lifestyles are very different for different groups
• Why did we ever think vegetable oils were good for us?
• America does not actually eat low fat.
• Humans can actually do well on a true low fat, whole foods diet
• How does this other metabolic state work?
• Big food would ruin things if they got the go-ahead from the government to do low-carb high fat
• I don\\u2019t believe it\\u2019s realistic at all to expect people to eat this way in America. You\\u2019re asking people to eat a Vegan diet plus organ meats
• What would you actually be eating on this sort of diet?
• If you\\u2019re vegan or vegetarian this doesn\\u2019t work
• Do vegetables have anti-nutrients or other toxins we should be worried about?
• Is fiber necessary?
• Nutrient density and satiety
• Problem with people eating all the time
• Killer combo of fat and sugar\\u2026 it\\u2019s irresistible
• So how do we figure this all out? It\\u2019s confusing when 2 totally different paradigms seem to work.
• Eating whole foods, going back to nature

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