Cathy and Todd discuss Megan Phelps Roper’s TED talk titled, "I grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church, here’s why I left”. She explains how rational and considerate conversation allowed her to see things differently, and offers four healthy ways to communicate when we disagree or feel polarized. They also discuss Rob Bell’s most recent podcast about “the lie of redemptive violence”, and why emotional leadership begins by listening instead of demanding. They share the wisdom of Stephen Covey, why being calm creates change, and why George Costanza ordered chicken salad instead of tuna.