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b'The ability to bring the sense of touch into the virtual is the final frontier of true immersion, and some of that technology already exists. Haptics, however, can be prohibitively expensive, even for some enterprise. Gijs den Butter visits the podcast to explain how SenseGlove can bring that power to business for a fraction of the cost.\\n\\n\\n\\n\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: Welcome to the XR for Business podcast with your host, Alan Smithson. Today, we have a very special guest, Gijs Den Butter. He is the CEO of SenseGlove. Now, if you\'re not familiar with haptics, we\'re going to get right into this. It\'s going to be awesome. But before we get to that, I just want to say, Gijs, it\'s really a pleasure to have you on the show. Welcome to the show, my friend.\\n\\n\\n\\nGijs: Thank you so much. Real pleasure to be here.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: It\'s really, really cool what you guys have built. A little while ago, I had the opportunity to try haptic gloves, and I put them on and I was able to reach out in virtual reality and grab an object and feel that object in my hand. And I can tell you, it was one of the most incredible ways to connect the physical world with the digital world. It was an amazing experience. And I\'m really, really excited to have Gijs explain us and walk us through SenseGlove and what they\'re doing. Not only have you built haptic glove, but you\'ve built a haptic glove that has force feedback. And so when you reach out and grab something, it stops in the shape of whatever you\'re reaching. Like, just explain how you got into the where you are right now. Where did this come from?\\n\\n\\n\\nGijs: Yeah, I think this force feedback component is indeed the crucial part of feeling in VR, because you can have haptic feedback -- like vibro-motors and those kind of things -- but really the moment when you\'re grasping an object and you feel that there is something that isn\'t actually there, that is a key moment in what touch enables you in VR. And then you can really interact in VR, as you would do in a normal situation. So, yeah, with this belief, we started off in 2015 from a robotics group at the University of Delft -- Technical University of Delft -- here in the Netherlands. And we tried to get-- to make a wearable that is, well, doing exactly this -- so touch in VR -- but was also affordable for every professional use case. We started firstly with a use case of rehabilitation, but we then found that this rehabilitation-only use case was a too limited scenario. And that was mainly because we were on a larger business fair called the Hannover Messe. And one of our current clients, Volkswagen, came to us and said, "Well, this training of impaired people, could you also do that with healthy people, so that they also can experience feeling in VR?" And that was kind of the start. We pivoted from a research group that was searching for a quest where their technology could be used in VR, to a company called SenseGlove. And that\'s where we\'re today. So in 2018, we launched our first product. That is really a development kit where researchers or R&D organizations -- like within Volkswagen -- can test, "OK, what does this component of touch add to my virtual experiences?"\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: How is Volkswagen using it? I mean, that\'s a really, really amazing company. Volkswagen Group owns pretty much everything: Porsche, Audi, and BMW, and so on.\\n\\n\\n\\nGijs: As maybe the followers of this podcast know that Volkswagen is quite a progressive company if it goes down to VR. So what their two use cases that they\'re interested in, which one of them is the training of assembly personnel inside of your environment. You can imagine if you are about to become an assembly worker in Volkswagen, you need to assemble those cars. The first day on that line is a pretty challenging day.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan:'