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b'We talk a lot about the business use cases of XR on this podcast, but any good business comes with a great fitness plan or exercise room. XR is no different, and VRd\\u014dj\\u014d founder Michael Eichenseer runs Alan through a few of the cardiovascular benefits to the technology. \\n\\n\\n\\nAnd that\\u2019s just the first six\\nminutes! Many other topics are touched on in this episode \\u2013 virtual\\nwriting spaces, remote assistance, spatial learning, his own XR\\nmakerspace, and more.\\n\\n\\n\\n\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: Welcome to the show,\\nMichael, how are you doing? Pretty good. How are you? Fantastic.\\nThank you so much for joining me on the show today. It\\u2019s going to be\\na really exciting one. Let\\u2019s tell everybody at home. What is your\\nvision for virtual augmented reality? Was the best virtual reality or\\na AR experience is what is the best thing that you have done? And\\nexplain to the listeners why that is so.\\n\\n\\n\\nMichael: For me, it\\u2019s definitely\\nthe fitness aspect of VR. As a gamer, I definitely enjoy the fact\\nthat I can play a game, not be sitting the entire time, and\\nafterwards, I\\u2019ve burnt 500 calories, and feel really good about it\\nthe next day. The research coming out in XR in reducing pain and\\nincreasing motivation, to me, is fascinating.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: There was a lot of medical\\nuse cases coming up in pain reduction, using virtual reality for\\npre-surgical \\u2014 and also perisurgical \\u2014 where you\\u2019re wearing a\\nheadset to distract you. I know one of the things that blows my mind\\nis, my daughter, she\\u2019s 10 and she is terrified of needles. Like,\\nwe\\u2019re talking blood-curdling screams from the nurse\\u2019s office. The\\nnext time she goes, we\\u2019re gonna use VR to try to distract her while\\nthey take blood, because it\\u2019s a stressful thing. And when somebody\\ngoes into a surgery, being able to decrease their stress; it\\u2019s hard\\nto measure the success outcomes, but at the same time, just being\\nable to calm them is something that I think VR does really naturally.\\nYou talked about exercising in VR. Give us some examples of some of\\nthe ways people are using VR to exercise.\\n\\n\\n\\nMichael: The boxing games are\\npretty popular, and I definitely have to mention Beat Saber. That\\u2019s\\nprobably the top one at the moment.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: Basically, you have two\\nlightsabers in your hands, and you\\u2019ve got to swipe up and down, and\\nleft and right, with your left and right hand, and dodge out of the\\nway of things. It is incredible.\\n\\n\\n\\nMichael: It\\u2019s dancing.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: Dancing and disco, and\\nit\\u2019s so good.\\n\\n\\n\\nMichael: Yes, it\\u2019s really good.\\nYou kind of lose track of time. I think that\\u2019s why it\\u2019s good that\\nit\\u2019s based on music; the song ends and you\\u2019re like, \\u201coh, back to\\nreality a little bit.\\u201d.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: Yeah, there\\u2019s a guy who\\nwas playing, he lost 45 pounds playing Beat Saber.\\n\\n\\n\\nMichael: Yes. I\\u2019ve actually met\\na 68-year-old retiree who logs into VR every morning at 5:00 a.m.,\\njust to warm up for the day.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: That\\u2019s incredible. What\\ndoes he play? What does he do?\\n\\n\\n\\nMichael: Back when I met him, we\\nwere playing a game called Smash Box Arena. It\\u2019s a multiplayer game,\\nkind of dodgeball. It\\u2019s defunct now, but there\\u2019s a lot of other games\\nlike that. I think Rec Room is probably the number one out there,\\nwhere you can hop in \\u2014 it\\u2019s a free game \\u2014 and it\\u2019s cross-platform\\nand you see people in there at all times of the day.\\n\\n\\n\\nAlan: I\\u2019ve played paintball in\\nthere. I'