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Carson Gulley was a Black culinary, radio and TV pioneer in the mid-1900s. Now, his legacy lives on at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, after it named a dining venue after him. He’s also known for his fudge-bottom pies. But Scott Seyforth, an assistant director of residence life at University Housing that he has read more than 100 interviews with Gulley — and not once did his now-famous fudge-bottom pies come up. He talked about this — and his adversity despite the discrimination — on WPR’s “The Larry Meiller Show.”