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My main man and owner of Gordon\'s Milkshakes, Carl Gordon joins me on the mic for one of the realest conversations to date. We disagree, we laugh, but most importantly we learn from one another. Carl shares his authentic experience as the only black-owned business on Mass Ave, and together we reflect on the positives and negatives of Indianapolis. This conversation catalyzed a friendship and partnership that led to the creation Why, Indy? Podcast\'s Blueberry Crumble Milkshake. Available for the entire month of May 2021.