b"Joey Zwillinger wasn't especially interested in shoes growing up, but his passion for sustainability led him to co-found Allbirds, a rapidly-growing footwear company. In conversation, Zwillinger preaches the virtues of patience in making a jump, among other lessons.\\n\\nPurchase the When To Jump book here\\n\\nThis week's episode is sponsored by Grasshopper (grasshopper.com/whentojump) and Design Crowd (DesignCrowd.com/JUMP)."