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In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Pete Scazzero who was a pastor for 26 years before co-founding Emotionally Healthy Discipleship. Many of us know Pete from reading one of his bestselling books, including The Emotionally Healthy Leader and Emotionally Healthy Spirituality.  During their conversation, they discuss how to become emotionally mature, how to redefine success, and how to create a rule of life. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 41: “Discipling people is hard work. It is very slow work.” “You can’t be spiritually mature unless you are emotionally mature.” “Who you are is way more important than what you do.” “Discipleship is being re-formed by Jesus.” “I think this COVID-19 season is a great opportunity to get retooled by God for the next phase of what he has for you.” “Success is becoming the person God has called you to become and doing what God called you to do. Period.” “I don’t believe it is possible to mature spiritually without some dimension of silence and solitude in your life.” “Maturity isn’t just about talking to God. It is also about listening to God.” “God’s building people, not just organizations.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero Emotionally Healthy Spirituality by Pete Scazzero In the Name of Jesus by Henri Nouwen Let Your Life Speak by Parker Palmer New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton The Accidental President by A. J. Baime http://emotionallyhealthy.org/team http://emotionallyhealthy.org/mature