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In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Clay Scroggins who is one of the Lead Pastors at Northpoint Community Church. He is a jack of many trades, the master of hosting, and the author of How to Lead When You're Not in Charge. During their conversation, they discuss leading as a student pastor while desiring to be a lead pastor, opening yourself up to feedback, and developing your self. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 3: “We don’t need to be asking how do we get bigger. We need to be asking how can we get better. And if we get better, others will demand we get bigger.” “God trusts us with more responsibility when we’ve shown we are faithful in the little things.” “You can create an oasis of excellence wherever you are. Whether you are in a student ministry, kids ministry, or in charge of cleaning out the closets, you can create an oasis of excellence” “The best thing I can ever give anybody with my leadership is my personal holiness and a character of Christ.” “Being a student of yourself is the best evaluation. Experience alone does not make somebody great, but it is evaluated experience that makes you a better leader.” “There is no manual that comes with leadership. It really comes down to the health of the person.” “Authority is not what makes a great leader. You can do anything from any position in the organization.” “Getting better at leadership is just sanctification. It is God forming you into his likeness.” “You can’t wait for someone else to lead you. Great leaders lead themselves well.” “Whatever is worrying my boss, should be worrying me.” “Resist the urge to feel like you have to know it all. People are attracted to someone who is willing to say I don’t know and let’s figure it out together.” RESOURCES MENTIONED How to Lead When You're Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins Search for Significance by Robert McGee The Culture Code by Daniel Coyle SPREAD THE WORD AND WIN! Like what you hear? Rate and review this podcast, and you'll be entered to win one of five Young Leader Book Bundles, valued at $150*. Just send a screenshot of your review to lifewayleadership@lifeway.com, and you may be selected at random to win. *Terms and conditions apply. Young Leaders Book Bundle includes Genuine Leather Personal Size CSB Bible, The Lost Sermons of C. H. Spurgeon, Designed to Lead, and Scrappy Church.