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In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Matt Carter who is the Pastor of Preaching and Vision at The Austin Stone Community Church and is author or co-author of several books, including his latest The Long Walk Home. During their conversation, they discuss how to delegate leadership to others, how to live on mission, and how to strive for excellence with grace. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 16: “I decided from day one of the Austin Stone that we wanted to have a multi teacher model, and that I wasn’t going to be the only guy that preached.” “All leaders need to realize we have limitations. There are things we are good at and things that we are not good at.” “The whole idea behind the law of the lid is that an organization will only grow to the level of the capacity of the senior leader.” “If I had never given away power, influence, and leadership, I think we would have grown to a certain level and the growth would have stopped.” “I found where I was weak, gave those jobs away to others who were really good at it, and I let them run.” “What good does it do if we are growing a church, but I am losing my wife.” “Leadership is a pressure cooker. It takes time to learn and grow, especially in your character.” “Churches are kind of like a bus. People get on and they ride awhile and they get off, and you can’t take it personally.” “The best way to lead people is in gentleness and kindness like Jesus did.” “The point of striving for excellence is to remove all the distractions that are in the way so people can place their eyes on Jesus.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Man Catches Flying Bird with Bare Hand The Long Walk Home by Matt Carter The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell Center Church by Tim Keller The Christ-Centered Expositor by Tony Merida  Free Ministry Grid Course on Christ-Centered Exposition with Tony Merida Your Unique Design Personality Test