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How do we respond to this political moment? Pessimism is tempting and optimism may feel foolhardy, yet a sense of possibility fueled by hope makes enduring sense to us. After the Biden/Harris victory, we turned to long-time activists, Lecia Brooks and Lisa Veneklasen to tap into their wisdom and clear-eyed assessment of what we\\u2019re facing and what\\u2019s possible in the struggle for overdue and drastically needed social and political change. For the past 16 years, Lecia has worked at the well-known Southern Poverty Law Center, a regional and national catalyst for racial justice, most recently as Chief of Staff. She plays a key role in their work to expose and dismantle white supremacy and nationalism. Almost 20 years ago, Lisa founded Just Associates (JASS) and recently stepped down from her role as Executive Director. JASS is a transnational feminist movement building organization that strengthens the voice, visibility and collective power of women to transform the world. Lisa and Lecia\\u2019s analysis and insights about these times -- including the power of older women to make change happen -- galvanize and provoke us to think differently about this political moment.

See www.splcenter.org for more information about the Center and Lecia. Meet Lisa at http://www.twohundredwomen.com/lisaveneklasen and check out JASS at www.justassociates.org/en/

And be sure to stay tuned to the end of the episode where Renata Joy (www.purejoywellness.com) shares her dream about how women's leadership will be central to the change we need.