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What would happen if we understood that we're all making it up, and that nobody really knows what's going on? A conversation about facing the messy realities of human life, and about learning we're not alone, with Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.

Here’s Episode 94 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. Find us on FaceBook to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. We’re also on YouTube, and as a podcast on Apple, Google and Spotify

We easily make two big mistakes in making sense of our lives, mistakes which add to whatever difficulties we already find ourselves in. The first is to imagine that everyone else 'has it to together' while it is only I who is muddling through a messy, unpredictable, and deeply mysterious existence. The second is related to the first. It's when we secretly hope that we'll be saved from the mess and confusions - by a magical happening, a saviour, winning the lottery etc. Both of these mistakes have us turn from our lives and from each other. But what if we were to find out that this is just the way that life is? And what if we were to welcome, then, the inevitable and surprising transformations that come upon us in the course of a human life, without trying to make them go away?

Join us for a conversation about winging it, owning up to what it is to be human, and finding out we're not alone, which begins with Leza Lowitz's beautiful poem 'Waiting', which you can find here.