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When it comes to violent crime, can what happened to someone as a child, ever justify their actions as an adult? In today’s episode, Jessie is speaking with a journalist, screenwriter, and author Mark Dapin.  In his book, Public Enemies Mark explores the lives of armed robbers Russell 'Mad Dog' Cox and Ray Denning.  In the 1960s, 70s, and 80s, armed robbers were the top of the criminal food chain. And Russell ‘Mad Dog’ Cox and Ray Denning were the best. Cox and Denning were once Australian Public Enemies Number One and Two. Both were handsome, charismatic bandits who refused to bow to authority. Their story as criminals is one of violence and crime, but it has a deeper meaning that may be traced to the horrors they faced as young boys... CREDITS Guest: Mark Dapin  Host: Jessie Stephens Producer: Hannah Bowman    LINKS You can find Mark’s book HERE - https://bit.ly/324f5Xx     RESEARCH Tough Nuts | Ray Denning | The Runner. https://bit.ly/3hdbn41 Tough Nuts | Russell Cox | Australia's Most Wanted Man. https://bit.ly/34eYymm  CONTACT US Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au   Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group  If any of the contents in this episode have cause distress know that there is help available viaLifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.