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Kathleen Pettingill had ten children. All of them are either incarcerated, in witness protection, or dead. So, how did Kathleen become the head of one of the most prolific and violent crime families in modern Australian history? Jessie speaks with author Adrian Tame about the life and crimes of Kathleen Pettingill - a woman who throughout his years profiling her he has come to count as a friend. You can buy Adrian Tame’s book The Matriarch online and at all good book stores. CREDITS GUEST: Adrian Tame HOST: Jessie Stephens RESEARCH The Matriarch by Adrian Tame Australian Families Of Crime | Mother of Evil: Kath Pettingill  National Nine News, 12 October 1998. National Film Sound Archive title: 51653. Courtesy: Nine Network. Suburban Gangsters: Stewart Regan and Dennis Allen - The Psychos, Nine Network Police Under Fire: The Walsh Street Killings Seven Network GET IN TOUCH: Call the PodPhone on 02 8999 9386. Email the show at truecrime@mamamia.com.au    True Crime Conversations is a podcast by Mamamia. Find more shows here https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.