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b'Returning champion Cory Doctorow joins us to discuss his latest book, The Internet Con, which lays out how the basis of so much material power in the world exists at the intersection of information technology and intellectual property. We get into the mechanics of IT\\u21d4IP, the necessity for interoperability in a world ruled by cartels, and the (intermediate) steps that must be taken now to fight back and create space for even more radical change.\\n\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 Follow Cory: https://twitter.com/doctorow\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 Cory\\u2019s new book: https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/3035-the-internet-con\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 Cory\\u2019s other new book: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250865939/thelostcause \\n\\nSubscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! https://www.patreon.com/thismachinekills \\n\\nHosted by Jathan Sadowski (www.twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (www.twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (www.twitter.com/braunestahl)'