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b"Talismans video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-sED3fAzY\\n\\xa0\\nRemember, we welcome comments, questions, and suggested topics at thewonderpodcastQs@gmail.com.\\nS4E18 TRANSCRIPT:----more----\\n\\xa0\\nMark: Welcome back to the Wonder Science-based Paganism. I'm your host, mark,\\nYucca: And I'm Yucca.\\nMark: and today we are talking about talismans and touchstones and things that we do during the course of our day to remind ourselves that we are on a naturalistic, pagan, pagan path and to remind ourselves of our practice.\\nYucca: Right. And these could be things, we could have objects that help. Remind us but also moments in the day or activities that we're doing that we can use as, as metaphorical touchstones, right?\\nMark: Right, right. I mean, we've talked about a daily practice before. Those tend to be. In the beginning and the ending of the day, not in the sort of rush of the middle of the day. So what we're really focusing on, on with this podcast is more about what do we do just to bring back to mind that we're on this path and that these are our values and that kind of stuff, while we're in the midst of all the various business that we have to take care of during the day.\\nYucca: Right. So why, actually, why don't we start with one? You were just telling me about that. This was one of Michael's suggestions who we've had on the podcast before he was on the council. And you were saying it was 13 o'clock.\\nMark: 13 o'clock.\\nYucca: o'clock, yeah. So what's this 13 o'clock thing?\\nMark: Which is one o'clock in the afternoon of course. Michael is Irish and apparently there is something that happens at noon every day in Ireland on the public television stations which is called the Angelus, and it used to be a. Catholic thing with, you know, images of the Virgin Mary and all that kind of stuff.\\nAnd the idea was that you were supposed to stop and pray or contemplate or just kind of remember, you know, that this is your religious path. Well, it's, it's become much more secularized now. They have images of the Irish countryside and. That kind of stuff instead. But it's still kind of a lovely idea.\\nAnd so Michael suggested that because we have 13 principles and there are 13 moon cycles, and we just like that\\nYucca: 13. It's just fun. Yeah.\\nMark: Yeah, it's, it's a cool prime number. That we celebrate something like that at 13 o'clock every day. And just take a minute. That's all, you know, 60 seconds, that's all that it takes.\\nWhat I do, I've put it in my phone as an alarm to remind me when it's\\nYucca: buzzes at you at one o'clock,\\nMark: Well, I actually get a 10 minute warning so that I can finish up whatever I'm doing right there and have a minute, but at, at, at the stroke of one. What I do is I just grasp my suntry pendant that I always wear, that I got at the Suntry retreat last year, and just imagine that I am floating in space, looking down at the earth.\\nYucca: Mm-hmm.\\nMark: Watching it slowly turn underneath me and just recognize, you know, as Carl Sagan said, this is everyone you've ever known. Everything that's ever happened in human history, all that you'll ever\\nYucca: king, every baker, every, yeah, every conflict we've ever had. Right. Every.\\nMark: event, every birth, every celebration, every cataclysm, all those things are embodied in this little planet floating in space.\\nAnd so I just sort of meditate on that for about a minute, and then I let go of my pendant and go about my day. But I find it's a really wonderful addition to my practice and it's nice to have a little intercession in the middle of the day. That's about my spirituality.\\nYucca: Hmm. That's great. I love that idea. That's, that's where noom comes from the term originally, isn't it? Weren't there\\nMark: I think it, yeah, because it was originally Noce\\nYucca: Yeah.\\nMark: Noce, which is one of the. Catholic masses that celebrated through the course of the day.\\nYucca: Yeah.\\nMark: I don't know what I, I know the first one is Matins and the last one is Vespers. Le"