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b"https://linktr.ee/nordicanimism\\nhttps://shop.nordicanimism.com/shop/9-books-and-calendars/\\n\\xa0\\nRemember, we welcome comments, questions, and suggested topics at thewonderpodcastQs@gmail.com.\\nS4E21 TRANSCRIPT:----more----\\nMark: welcome back to the Wonder Science-based Paganism. I'm your host, mark,\\nYucca: And I'm Yucca.\\nMark: and today we are excited to have\\xa0Rune Hjarn\\xf8\\xa0with us who is a thinker and podcaster and pagan animist Norse Animist coming to us from Scandinavia. So welcome Ro\\nRune: Thank you very much. Super happy to be here.\\nMark: Rune was suggested to us by one of our listeners who had been listening Toro's work and said that we could have a very interesting conversation. So we are here to have a very interesting conversation.\\nRune: Totally.\\nYucca: Yeah. Thank you for coming on. I'm really excited. So.\\nRune: thanks for having me. It's gonna be super interesting.\\nYucca: Yeah, do you wanna go ahead and start by just, you know, letting our listeners know a little bit about who you are and what your background and interests are?\\nRune: Yeah, let me, let me try yeah. My name is Rune I'm a Danish anthropologist of religion. And I, what I'm trying to do on my general platform, which is called Nordic Animism is that I'm trying to use indigenous knowledge scholarship and new animist thinking to look at our own cultural heritage as Euro ascendants because there's this weird assumption in our time that These are ways of thinking about our own culture that are only available if you belong to an indigenous colonized groups.\\nAnd that assumption is there seemingly in popular culture and in scholarship and, and in all kinds of ways, in spite of the fact that what a lot of indigenous peoples are actually doing is that they're encouraging us as majority populations to start thinking like this about ourselves. But it's a difficult, for a number of reasons to do with cultural politics.\\nIt's a diff difficult step to take. So a lot of, not a lot of people are doing it. It's spite of the fact that indigenous knowledge is becoming a big thing. Anyway, so yeah. So that's basically what I'm doing. And I also feel that when I'm doing that I'm, I'm being brought through dealing with a lot of these problems of cultural politics because when you.\\nWhen you look at, for instance, our culture as euron and people, and also the ways that our traditional culture has been sometimes co-opted then you are necessarily faced with issues such as well, racism, whiteness, the construction of whiteness, the rejection of animism actually as a part of construction of whiteness and these sort of things.\\nSo, and therefore it becomes a very, I think a very intersect intersectional work that is basically becomes a form of, of decolonizing. So yeah, and I'm then trying to do this to sort of bring this into popular spaces because one thing is that, you know, I can sit online and I can go blah, blah, blah in my highbrow, you know, academic language and nobody's gonna understand the stand a bloody thing, but what what actually.\\nOr to come out of something like this is popular culture stuff that can be communicated to real people. Stuff that that can also attract actually real people. So, I've launched symbolism of totemic kinship with the world around us. I've written a book about the, the turning of the seasons and I've, yeah.\\nDifferent, different projects like that. And then I'm continuously communicating on my channel. Yeah. Did that kind of sum it up or did I speak too lo too long?\\nYucca: No, that's great. And I have to say, I'm so excited to hear you talking about indigenous European cultures because so often the ideas that, that there isn't. And that that's the, that European is the opposite of indigenous, rather than seeing that there's indigenous all over the world, not just from specific groups.\\nAnd I think that that's really valuable that you're bringing this to light.\\nRune: Thanks and I, I'll just add one little. Have it at there. And that is that when"