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b"The Re-Enchantment of Life: https://thewonderpodcast.podbean.com/e/re-enchantment-of-life/\\nThe Inner Critic: https://thewonderpodcast.podbean.com/e/the-inner-critic-1612153312/\\n\\xa0\\nRemember, we welcome comments, questions, and suggested topics at thewonderpodcastQs@gmail.com.\\nS4E10 TRANSCRIPT:----more----\\n\\xa0\\nMark: Welcome back to the Wonder Science-based Paganism. I'm your host, mark,\\nYucca: and I'm Yucca,\\nMark: and today we are going to talk about paganism and imagination.\\nYucca: right? And this is a, this is a really important and key topic in a lot of different ways and it gets approached From many different directions in, again, different ways, but we don't always, we don't always talk about what it it really is, and that that's what we're doing.\\nMark: Yeah. And particularly in kind of mainstream pagan circles, we. Because what is imagined and what is more likely to be true based on evidence often gets all jumbled together. We, we don't actually acknowledge that we're working with the imagination\\nYucca: And there's a negative connotation to it too. Like, oh, you're just imagining\\nMark: right.\\nYucca: right? Like if you suggest that, that, that's almost, that's an insult, right? Oh, that's just your imagination.\\nMark: right? Yeah. We say it's just your imagination, right? But when you think about it, why just imagination is amazing. Imagination is arguably the thing that makes humans different than any other creatures that we're aware of. Our, our ability to. Envision the abstract\\nYucca: Mm-hmm.\\nMark: to to have ideation that that innovates, you know, that comes up with novel stories, novel inventions, novel concepts, novel philosophies, all of those things.\\nThat's all imaginations.\\nYucca: Right, and even though things might be imagination, they can still be very, very meaningful to us. , think about your favorite movie or book that you knew that those characters didn't exist. Those things never happened, and yet it's really meaningful and impactful to you, and it had a, as a, a very real response in your body and your mind.\\nMark: Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, there have been a couple of times in my life when I have actually fallen in love with a movie character.\\nYucca: Mm-hmm.\\nMark: And it's been painful for, you know, two, three days until it wears off. Because I really wanted to know that person. I wanted to see that person, and they don't exist. So, and, and you know, this was when I was younger mostly, but now that I'm old and cynical, it doesn't happen so much.\\n, but You know, that's the same physiological response that happens in response to a real person.\\nYucca: right.\\nMark: And that, I think, goes to this question of why we can confuse the imaginary with the real because our, our minds are not very good at distinguishing. Between what's imaginary and what's real. We, we react in exactly the same ways our brains fire in exactly the same ways in response to stories or ideas that they do in response to real world events.\\nYucca: Right. And we rewrite memories,\\nMark: Mm-hmm.\\nYucca: And each person's interpretation of the same event can be very different,\\nMark: and it will get more different over time as they reinforce their take over and over again. Every time they recall that memory, they rewrite it and it get e evolves a little bit.\\nYucca: It's telephone, but that, did you ever play that game as a kid? Right. You one person whispers and then it whispers to the next person and next person and see how it changes by the time it gets to the last person. And sometimes they're close, and sometimes, well, sometimes one of the kids will purposely put something fake in there, but sometimes it transforms, right?\\nMark: Mm-hmm.\\nYucca: And our, our minds do that. Our imagination does that.\\nMark: They certainly do. Yeah. So, one of the things that we do, especially as adults to try to distinguish these things is that we, we identify the times when we are doing what's called suspension of disbelief,\\nYucca: Mm-hmm.\\nMark: right? So w"