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b"theAPSociety.org/AWW2023/\\nRemember, we welcome comments, questions, and suggested topics at thewonderpodcastQs@gmail.com.\\nS4E13 TRANSCRIPT:----more----\\n\\xa0\\nYucca: Welcome back to the Wonder Science-based Paganism. I'm one of your host Yucca,\\nMark: And I'm the other one. Mark.\\nYucca: and today we are talking about Christianity and Paganism worldviews and really kind of exploring that idea.\\nMark: Yeah, because when you really drill down into a pagan. Way of understanding the world. It starts to really rub sharply up against the, the models for what's important in the universe and how we should live and all that kind of stuff that are taught to us by the mainstream culture and in the mainstream culture, in the English speaking world that is entirely suffused with Christianity.\\nYucca: Right. So much so that I think we're very unaware of the extent. It really takes some deep reflection and. And exploring an investigation of other world frameworks to even be able to recognize what is coming from Christianity and what's influenced by Christianity and how what we're doing is different in some ways.\\nMark: Right,\\nYucca: Yeah,\\nMark: right. It's the water we're swimming in\\nYucca: right.\\nMark: and so it becomes background to us. We, we don't notice that we're swimming, you know, we don't notice that we're moving through air because air is around us all the time, right? So we don't pay very much attention to air unless it's moving at high speed or carrying water or something like that, or smoke or whatever it, it may be.\\nYucca: little bit off. Yeah.\\nMark: Right. So it's a. So let, let's dive in and let's, let's talk about what some of those kind of core Christian beliefs are, and not so much beliefs, but frameworks for how to live and what's important and those kinds of things. Moral frameworks.\\nYucca: Well, I'm doing a lot of reflecting on this throughout the week because we, we talked about last time, oh, what, what are we gonna talk about next week? And so we had a little bit of time to do some brainstorming and what it, what kept coming back for me is the relationship and role of authority. And I think that this is something that, that in our conversation today, we are stick.\\nTo Christianity, but I think this is something that is shared with other monotheistic religions in general, at least the ones that I've been exposed to. And the approach to there being a God or this deity who is the ultimate authority, who is something of a parent role. But parent in a very authoritative kind of way I think is really central to a lot of the other topics that we're going to get into in terms of why you do good things versus why you do bad things and how do you see what is good and what is bad and what your roles are.\\nI think it, a lot of it really comes down to that relationship to a.\\nMark: Yeah, I really agree with that. That, I mean, we, people talk about. The father. Right. It's, it, it's this patriarchal idea of first of all, male supremacy, which is sown pretty thoroughly throughout\\nYucca: Mm-hmm.\\nMark: Christianity. But beyond that, it's this authority figure who hands down the law and you obey it. And if you don't obey it, then you get punished.\\nYucca: Right. And they know best. They know better for you than you do for yourself, and\\nMark: Right. Well, in this case, they know everyth.\\nYucca: Yes.\\nMark: Right?\\nYucca: And so don't question it.\\nMark: Yeah. Cuz they know everything. They're always right. They're, they're not capable of making a mistake. All of those things are true and that is a very powerful model, but to my mind, not a very realistic one. even if you believe in and, you know, the, the medieval philosophers would get themselves all twisted in knots about this, the theologians you know, can, can God create a stone that is too heavy for him to lift.\\nYou know, these kinds of questions because there are tons of paradoxes in the idea of something that is infinite, infinite knowledge, infinite strength, infinite power infinit"