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Steven Rinella talks to Dr. Justin Schmidt, Li Schmidt, Corinne Schneider, Ryan Callaghan, and Phil Taylor. Topics discussed: A quick Chinese love song; developing the Schmidt Pain Index; lying down on an ant hill; camouflage in the animal world; what Steve thought when he got stung by a bullet ant; poisonous defense systems; hitching a ride on a mosquito; how science progresses one coffin at a time; bot flies; having a furry proboscis; hell hath no fury like a horsefly; the big 5 of ants; the relativity of pain; the cold-blooded and nasty cruelty of a tarantula hawk; a good junior high school science project idea; what the hell does aposematic mean, anyway?; and so much more. Connect with Steve and MeatEater Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop MeatEater Merch See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.