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Seattle, Washington. Steven Rinella and Janis Putelis talk with call maker Jason Phelps. Subjects discussed: the annoyingness of people, such as Annie Raser, who don't get a chubby about hunting turkeys; the first and second bull that Phelps ever called in; lathes; consistency in craftsmanship; the inherent difficulties of stretching latex just right; why turkeys gobble at weird noises; the best weird noises to make a turkey gobble; grizzly bears; the ESA; market saturation; American elbow grease.   Connect with Steve and MeatEater Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop MeatEater Merch See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.