I spy: meeting Ukraines intelligence chief

Published: July 7, 2023, 8:51 a.m.

We sit down with Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine\u2019s youngest-ever spymaster. He is intense, resolute\u2014and oddly charismatic. A world of electrified transport is going to need lots of nickel for batteries. We argue that, environmentally speaking, gathering it from the seafloor clearly beats mining it on land (11:12). And remembering Donald Triplett, the first person ever to be diagnosed with autism (19:25).


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