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Ryan Callaghan is one of the good guys.

There are a bunch of other things that can be said about First Lite\\u2019s Director of Conservation and Public Relations, hunting guide and frequent contributor to MeatEater. One of the more apt descriptions, though, is that Callaghan is real. The things he says and the things he does are one in the same. He backs up his passions with action. Callaghan is truly a conservationist because he gets involved. Whether it\\u2019s city council meetings, public land rallies, or his recent election to the National Board of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers; the Montana-native has built up a distinct voice in the world of conservation during his six years at First Lite. His opinion matters because it\\u2019s grounded in his efforts to fight for lands and wildlife. Also Cal know a whole heck of a lot about the pursuit. Callaghan joined me at the Western Hunting Conservation Expo in Salt Lake City for a great conversation on the trade show floor that explores many of the hunting toughest topics. 3:05 - Are we creepy? 6:28 \\u2013 Podcast ground rules 8:18 \\u2013 Ben\\u2019s upbringing 14:20 \\u2013 What is the hunting industry? 18:00 \\u2013 Michael Pollon\\u2019s \\u201cOmnivore\\u2019s Dilemma\\u201d 19:40 \\u2013 Hunting\\u2019s generational changes 22:58 \\u2013 BHA\\u2019s National Board 25:09 \\u2013 Are hunters conservationists? 33:03 \\u2013 Do hunters know what Pittman-Robertson is? 38:02 \\u2013 Daunting new hunter challenges 42:25 \\u2013 Discussing National Monuments 48:00 \\u2013 The slippery slope of losing public land 53:18 \\u2013 Public Land hunting in Texas or lack thereof 1:00:01 \\u2013 Peas are the devil\\u2019s balls 1:06:19 \\u2013 Promoting the end result and the fear of failure 1:08:20 \\u2013 Generation gap in hunting 1:09:15 \\u2013 Hunting with The Chive and the urban bubble 1:15:00 \\u2013 Seattle\\u2019s Batman and his hunting journey 1:18:14 \\u2013 More urbanites is good for hunting? 1:23:12 \\u2013 Positivity in hunting 1:26:50 \\u2013 Talking to your younger self about hunting 1:28:56 \\u2013 Describing the scene at The Expo (Ben is finally quiet.) 1:32:20 \\u2013 Where the podcast is headed Enjoy, and we\\u2019ll see you next week.

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