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Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of \\u201cI Kissed Dating Goodbye,\\u201d Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He\\u2019s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper\\u2019s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of \\u201cthe sin of empathy.\\u201d Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book \\u201cThe Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.\\u201d They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a \\u201clamb\\u201d turned out to be a \\u201cdragon.\\u201d They\\u2019re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?

News Segment

Updates from the crew (Jason\\u2019s cinnamon rolls and Christian\\u2019s film) [1:49]

Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes

Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html

\\u201cBethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over \\u2018coddling\\u2019 and \\u2018cancel culture\\u2019\\u201d [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html

Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/

Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel

BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990

Interview Start [1:00:39]

Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]

Original story and role of book [1:06:35]

How they processed the news of Jean Vanier\\u2019s abusive behavior [1:10:43]

Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]

Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]