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One of the most controversial and polarizing topics even among the conspiracy community is that of flat earth theory. Most people think the entire topic is ludicrous, but you can't argue that it's gaining steam with a certain subset of alternative thinkers. Well, today’s guest, Marty Leeds, has considered the matter quiet extensively, and has found that the flat earth theory might have some validity. Marty is a researcher, author and musician. He is a proponent of the flat earth theory, a mathemagician, and expert decoder of  gematria, which focuses on number patterns in the English language. Marty has a lot of interesting thoughts on the universe, NASA and space exploration, and how the ancient civilizations expressed their knowledge of the earth being flat. Some of the topics that you’ll hear about today include: 6:15: The Egyptians, Hindus, Mayans and other ancient cultures believed that the earth was flat. Since it’s widely accepted that they were very advanced societies, Marty asserts, there’s no reason to disbelieve them on the shape of the earth. 12:45: Evidence that NASA is lying to the public about everything from the existence of the Hubble telescope to the moon landing for the sake of mass propaganda and a way to funnel money into their corrupt organization. 19:00: Marty’s thoughts on Copernicus, Galileo, and other “enlightened” heliocentrists. He even has some evidence that Pythagoras may never have existed at all. 25:50: Information on gematria and how it sheds light on NASA and the flat earth theory. 34:50: Marty’s thoughts on the International Space Station. There is evidence that the ISS is a hologram, Marty says, and this explains why people can see it from the earth despite it being a hoax. 45:40: How Marty’s journey has affected his thoughts on the existence of a Creator. He believes that man is put on this earth to find something that is hidden or lost. 54:10: Why the Bible is highly symbolic and cryptic, and where to find the clues that prove Biblically that the world is flat. 1:02:40: How a nearly universal dislike of math is part of the indoctrination designed to hide the patterns and numbers of the universe from children. 1:09:00: Marty’s thoughts on Neil deGrasse Tyson, who debunked the conspiracy that the moon landing was falsified. 1:21:40: Why the arctic and antarctic regions of the flat earth are largely inaccessible, as well as information on where they are located on the flat disk. 1:29:40: How the number 7 encodes the sun and the moon, and why the government finds it necessary to withhold this information from school children. 1:38:15: Marty’s skeptical thoughts on UFOs and alien abduction. Although he witnessed a UFO, he does not believe that it was necessarily extraterrestrial, and he explains why. Links: Marty’s website Marty on YouTube Marty on Facebook Previous flat earth theory episode with Eric Dubay Flat Earth: The Ultimate Litmus Test Pole to Pole BBC Documentary   Like The Higherside Chats on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHighersideChatsPodcast/ Find our shows on YouTube for easy sharing: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheHighersideChats Twitter: https://twitter.com/HighersideChats Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/highersidechats/ Review Us On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-higherside-chats/id419458838?mt=2