b'David Ballard (Uncharted series, The Last Of Us) visits to talk about shipping a game, environment as a character and level design.\\n\\nE-mail: jenesee@greyareapodcast.com\\nTwitter: @TheGreyArea\\nWeb: https://greyareapodcast.com\\nFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/greyareapodcast'