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Eddie Inzauto and Christos Reid welcome Big Red Potion Podcast host Sinan Kubba to Versus Node for a stimulating discussion of games as art, as well as Michael Jackson, mergers, jiggle physics, and more.\n\n00:00 - Welcome! Introductions.\n01:44 - What we've been playing.\n01:49 - Sinan's been playing...\n03:47 - Christos has been playing...\n06:20 - Eddie's been playing...\n07:33 - News.\n07:38 - Michael Jackson's death.\n12:25 - Zenimax Media buying id. \n13:30 - Bethesda building FPS library.\n14:51 - Mark Jacobs leaving Mythic.\n16:43 - Koei Tecmo Ltd. merger.\n17:40 - Jiggle physics.\n18:53 - Japan's videogame porn.\n21:23 - The human form is artistic.\n21:51 - Games as art discussion.\n22:36 - What is art?\n32:19 - Art as it applies to games.\n33:53 - Art vs. high art. Where do games lie?\n35:18 - Braid artists vs. Van Gogh.\n39:00 - The art of creation.\n39:39 - What's more important: audio/visual or deeper meaning?\n41:50 - Taking the author out of the equation.\n45:05 - Observation and apprectiation without preconception.\n46:38 - Poetic and literary depth. Interpretation.\n48:44 - Where does the art lie? Game, gamer, or designer?\n51:51 - Thanks and outro.\n\nIntro music, "Downstream" by Shira Kammen, from Jonathan Blow's Braid 2008. "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" by Michael Jackson, 1979.