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b'When Elizabeth Holmes founded Theranos, the blood testing start-up, she was held up as one of the next great tech innovators.\\n\\nBut her company collapsed, and she was accused of lying about how well Theranos\\u2019s technology worked. Now she is on trial on fraud charges.\\n\\nThe case against Ms. Holmes is being held up as a referendum on the \\u201cfake it till you make it\\u201d culture of Silicon Valley, but it\\u2019s also about so much more.\\n\\nGuest: Erin Griffith, a reporter covering technology start-ups and venture capital for The New York Times.'