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b'This episode contains strong language.\\xa0\\n\\nIn June, weeks after George Floyd was killed by the police, a veto-proof majority of the Minneapolis City Council expressed support for dismantling the city\\u2019s police department.\\n\\nThe councilors\\u2019 pledges to \\u201cabolish,\\u201d \\u201cdismantle\\u201d and \\u201cend policing as we know it\\u201d changed the local and national conversation about the police.\\n\\nPresident Trump has wielded this decision and law-and-order arguments in his campaigning \\u2014 Midwestern states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota may be decisive in the general election.\\n\\nHe has claimed that Joseph R. Biden Jr. wants to defund the police \\u2014 which he does not \\u2014 and told voters that they would not be safe in \\u201cBiden\\u2019s America.\\u201d\\n\\nOn the ground in Minneapolis, Astead Herndon, a national politics reporter, speaks to activists, residents and local politicians about the complexities of trying to overhaul the city\\u2019s police.\\n\\nGuest: Astead W. Herndon, a national politics reporter for The New York Times, speaks to Black Visions Collective co-director, Miski Noor; Jordan Area Community Council executive director, Cathy Spann; and Minneapolis City Council president, Lisa Bender.\\xa0\\n\\nFor more information on today\\u2019s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily\\xa0\\n\\nBackground reading:\\xa0Across America there have been calls from some activists and elected officials to defund, downsize or abolish police departments. What would efforts to defund or disband the police really mean?In the wake of George Floyd\\u2019s killing, some cities asked if the police are being asked to do jobs they were never intended to do. Budgets are being re-evaluated.'