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In the past decade or more, votes over increasing the U.S. debt ceiling have increasingly been used as a political tool. That has led to intense showdowns in 2011, 2013 and, now, 2023. \n\nThis year, both sides of the argument are dug in and Republicans appear more willing to go over the cliff than in the past. \n\nWhat does this year\u2019s showdown look like and how, exactly, did the United States\u2019 debt balloon to $31 trillion?\n\nGuest: Jim Tankersley, a White House correspondent for The New York Times.