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Before the career diplomats working in Ukraine discovered a \u201chighly irregular\u201d power structure around President Trump determined to undermine and derail them, a Trump cabinet secretary said the same thing happened to him.\n\nToday, David J. Shulkin, former secretary of Veterans Affairs, speaks about his experience with \u201ca dual path of decision making in the White House\u201d and how falling out of favor with President Trump\u2019s political appointees ended his tenure. Guest: David J. Shulkin, a former secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration. For more information on today\u2019s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.\xa0\n\nBackground listening and reading:Mr. Shulkin\u2019s story matches a pattern described that career diplomats have described to the impeachment inquiry. Here\u2019s a \u201cDaily\u201d episode about their testimony.Back channels to the White House are at the heart of the investigation.