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Ukraine's spring offensive has begun. But what can it realistically achieve? What can be done to prevent this becoming a 'forever war'? And in the meantime, how has this regional conflict impacted on global politics. Are we seeing a changed international order, with the rise of China and a new role for Africa and the Global South? David Aaronovitch and guests discuss the long game for Ukraine and its western allies.

Guests:

Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence studies and Specialist Advisor to the Joint Committee on the National Security Strategy\\nKarin von Hipple, Director General, Royal United Services Institute\\nShashank Joshi, Defence Editor at The Economist\\nMark Galeotti, Writer on Russian security affairs and director of the consultancy Mayak Intelligence.

Produced by: Bethan Ashmead, Claire Bowes and Kirsteen Knight\\nEdited by: Richard Vadon\\nSound engineer: Graham Puddifoot\\nProduction co-ordinator: Debbie Richford

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