Happy Hanukkah! In this episode we sit down with Beth's longtime friend and colleague Susan Raffo to talk about Healing Justice. We talk about its history, how the concept itself is rooted in the ancient wisdom of cultures around the world, and how it's just recently begun to gain greater visibility in the broader Social Justice movement in the United States, thanks largely to the work of Queer Black women in the South combating the lasting effects of the legacy of slavery. We talk about how healing has traditionally been understood in Western and American society and offer some alternatives to the parts of this understanding that continue to contribute to the very things we aspire to heal - both on an individual level and collectively. We also discuss a few ways that practitioners of all kinds can integrate Healing Justice concepts into their work and how anyone can implement it in their daily lives. We also talk briefly about Beth's upcoming Facilitating Cultural Change workshop and her all new website! Roll up your sleeves and join us for a deep-dive discussion of a heavy topic that might actually be a lot simpler on some levels than it seems to be, and that in a lot of ways couldn't be more timely.