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After a long hiatus, Dr. Matt Brodhead returns to Behavioral Observations. In this episode, we discuss the use of punishment in the context of creating effective, ethical behavioral interventions.\\xa0

Of course, pursuant to the Behavior Analysis Certification Board\'s\\xa0Ethics Code for Behavior Analysts, punishment should only be considered, "only after demonstrating that desired results have not been obtained using less intrusive means, or when it is determined by an existing intervention team that the risk of harm to the client outweighs the risk associated with the behavior-change intervention" (Code Element 2.15, page 12).\\xa0

So Matt and I talked about what this means in practice, the role of coercive or aversive events in everyday life, weighing the pros and cons of treatment choices, and much more.\\xa0

As we state in the first few minutes of the show, we made the editorial decision not to discuss the ABAI Task Force report on\\xa0Contingent Electric Skin Shock. It\'s not that we don\'t have opinions on this topic; rest assured, we certainly do. But we felt like it would be more helpful for practitioners to hear Matt\'s thoughts on things like response cost, time-out, and so forth, as these are procedures that are more likely to be used by "everyday" practitioners.\\xa0

We also meandered into a few other topics, like the necessity of teaching cooperation and compliance under certain stimulus conditions, the utility or role of descriptive assessments vs. analog functional analyses, as well as other digressions.\\xa0

On a stylistic note, because Matt and I have gotten to know each other pretty well, this is an even more conversational episode that usual (versus one that is a series of questions and answers), with the attendant joking around that we usually engage in.

If you\'re interested in Matt\'s work, go over to his website,\\xa0betteraba.com, and pick up a copy of his excellent workbook,\\xa0Behavioral Systems Analysis and Ethical Behavior. It\'s a bargain at $25 bucks... and remember, the holidays are right around the corner\\xa0\\xa0Matt is also available for workshops and consultations, and you can reach him through the same\\xa0website.\\xa0

And while I\'m plugging Matt\'s stuff, the popular text book he co-authored with Drs. David Cox and Shawn Quigley, is out in its\\xa0second edition\\xa0(disclosure: Amazon Associates Link).

Other resources we discussed:

• Brodhead and Oteto (2022): Ethics and Ethical Problem Solving.\\xa0
• Thomas and Brodhead (2022): Bringing Challenge to Coercion and the Status Quo.\\xa0
• Matt\'s\\xa0earlier appearances\\xa0on the BOP.\\xa0
• Musical references: "I Love this Bar" and "Check Yo Self"
• Hanley et al. (2005). On the Effectiveness of and Preference for Punishment and Extinction-Based Components of Function-Based Interventions.\\xa0
• Hanley (2012): Functional assessment of problem behavior: dispelling myths, overcoming implementation obstacles, and developing new lore.
• Congenital Insensitivity to Pain.
• Perone (2003): The Negative Effects of Positive Reinforcement.
• The Importance of Red Teams, Peter Attia, MD.
• Michael (1975): Positive and Negative Reinforcement, a Distinction That Is No Longer Necessary; Or a Better Way to Talk about Bad Things.
• MacKenzie (2021): Caring by Lying.\\xa0
• Fisher et al. (1996): On the reinforcing effects of the content of verbal attention.\\xa0
• CBIT\\xa0for Tic Disorders.
• Inside JABA #3\\xa0with Iser DeLeon on Accumulated vs. Distributed Reinforcement.

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