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b"When Kate was growing up, her grandfather often told her that when he was serving on a Navy ship during WWII, there were two things he and his fellow sailors never talked about: religion and politics.\\n\\nIn the present age, we're apt to think that leaving politics off the table like that is inauthentic, or worse, a sign of being an insufficiently engaged citizen. We're apt to think that the more we do politics, the better the health of our politics.\\n\\nMy guest would say that the opposite is true. His name is Robert Talisse, and he's a professor of political philosophy and the author of\\xa0Overdoing\\xa0Democracy: Why We Must Put Politics in Its Place."