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b"When you think\\xa0of areas of life\\xa0that speak to the soul, and elicit\\xa0poetry, you likely think of things like romantic relationships and natural landscapes. You probably don't think of office work and cubicles.\\n\\nBut my guest today says that the soul is involved in every kind of work, and poetry is an essential vehicle\\xa0for examining what your work is doing to your soul, and for learning to bring more soul into what you do. His name is David Whyte and he's a poet, a philosopher, and the author of multiple\\xa0books of both poetry and prose, as well as a corporate consultant\\xa0who uses poetry to help companies with their organizational leadership. We begin our conversation with David's background in marine zoology and how his experience being a naturalist\\xa0guide in the Galapagos\\xa0Islands influenced his ideas on the conversational nature of reality. We discuss how the amount of time you spend at your job is greatly shaping who you are, the way we lose youthful idealism for our work,\\xa0and the importance of inviting the right kind of danger into your life. David then unpacks what the ancient tale of Beowulf can teach men about having hard conversations both personally and professionally, and bridging one's outer and inner\\xa0lives. We talk as well about the importance of men having good friendships outside the office. Along the way, David reads a few short, stirring poems that speak to these themes.\\n\\nGet the show notes at aom.is/whyte."