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There's stuff going on in Python packaging and pyproject.toml. Brett and I talk about some upcoming work on Python packaging, such as: editable installs the need for standardization configuration of other tools in pyproject.toml And then get off on tangents and talk about: why it's good to have packages like pip, toml, setuptools, wheel, etc not part of the standard library should we remove some stuff from the standard library the standard library using unittest for testing the standard library why not hypothesis I didn't bring up "why not pytest?" but you know I was thinking it. why CPython and not C++Python and more Special Guest: Brett Cannon.