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b'Natalie has been working in Digital Sustainability for a few years at ThoughtWorks, and recently joined Microsoft to work on Sustainability Product Innovation.\\n\\nIn this podcast we learn about her career path in Product Development and Sustainability, and she talks about different strategies for Digital Sustainability.\\n\\nNatalie has worked with teams moving to the Cloud. She talks about how the Cloud can help reduce the environmental impact of IT but customers need to be able to measure and track their digital footprint too.\\n\\nAs a Product Manager, she shares examples for how to design and measure products for Sustainability, and not only rely on offsetting emissions.\\n\\nShe talks about how IT solutions can help companies become greener across many industries, but we also need to balance the growing environmental footprint of IT particularly with AI/ML and blockchain. \\n\\nFinally, she talks about her new role at Microsoft.\\n\\nYou can follow her at https://twitter.com/nataliehollier or https://www.nataliehollier.com/\\nShe follows the community Climate Action Tech: https://climateaction.tech/\\nHer talk in May : https://www.womenincleantechsustainability.org/wcs-talks/part-3/\\nHer book list:\\n- Designing for Sustainability - Tim Frick -https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/designing-for-sustainability/9781491935767/\\n- Cradle to Cradle - William McDonough & Michael Braungart - http://www.cradletocradle.com/\\n- Green Giants - E. Freya Williams - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23875817-green-giants\\n- Drawdown - https://www.drawdown.org/the-book\\n- Tools and Weapons - Brad Smith and Carol Ann Browne - https://news.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/tools-and-weapons/\\n- How to avoid a climate disaster - Bill Gates -https://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/My-new-climate-book-is-finally-here \\n- World Wild Waste - Gerry McGovern - https://gerrymcgovern.com/books/world-wide-waste/'