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b'Is there such a thing as benevolent colonialism as Duke Leto tries? How does Dune explore the idea of a messiah, and the way those effect and are effected by Paul, the Bene Gesserit and the Fremen? My friend and former colleague from my days as a pastor, Chris McArdle, joins me to dive into these topics and more.

Chris McArdle is an ordained minister of the United Church of Christ who serves the First Congregational Church of Anoka, Minnesota. He is a self-described lifelong geek whose parents introduced him to Star Wars at age 3 and numerous other scifi worlds thereafter. He has long been interested in genre literature that relies on religious imagery and themes, but not as long as he has pursued the earthly joy of a well-made mac & cheese.'