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Jonathan and Jeff continue their discussion about the name of this very podcast by talking about the idea of the Subject, but not before trying to discern their apostolic succession to famous philosophers of the past. (It is a bit of a stretch, actually.) But once they get back on to that topic, they explore where philosophy gets the necessary kick in its pants to dig into the subject of the Subject, especially via the Masters of Suspicion (Marx, Freud, and Nietzsche). (The discussion of this term raises questions surrounding Paul Ricoeur's idea of the hermeneutics of suspicion vs the hermeneutics of generosity).

In the second half of the podcast, Jeff and Jonathan start to dig into some of Julia Kristeva's contributions to the Subject along with other psychoanalytical concepts, such as "the mirror stage," Lacan's typology of the Imaginary, the Symbolic, and the Real, Kristeva's idea of "the semiotic" and "the symbolic," and ultimately "the subject of enunciation" (that tries to explain and position itself in the world symbolically) and "the subject-in-process" (that is constantly being constrained and unable to express itself in its entirety clearly in language). They likely overly (and unfairly) merge Lacan's and Kristeva's thought, particularly with regards to the Real. As they slow their roll on this, though, they begin to ask whether it's absolutely necessary for the Real to be horrific, or whether the Real could be experienced as a miracle and how the Real might be a sign of hope. (Although they do not discuss Kristeva's idea of "abjection".)

Jeff and Jonathan also mull the following competition for listeners: Write a short story of 500 words or less that describes what happens when Martin Heidegger, Owen Barfield, and Jean-Paul Sartre look at a tree. (Hint: One of them pukes). Send your entries along (as well as any questions, comments, rants) to subjectsinprocesspodcast@gmail.com.

Show Notes:

• The Argument and Action of Plato’s Laws by Leo Strauss (https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo49994683.html)
• The Closing of the American Mind by Alan Bloom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mind)
• Deconstruction and the Remainders of Phenomenology by Tilottama Rajan (https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=3636)
• Saving the Appearances by Owen Barfield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saving_the_Appearances)
• Tool-Being by Graham Harman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Harman)
• Freud and Philosophy by Paul Ricoeur and the hermeneutics of suspicion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneutics_of_suspicion)
• Being Wrong by Kathryn Schulz (https://www.harpercollins.com/products/being-wrong-kathryn-schulz?variant=32123000487970) 
• Game: "The Evolution of Trust" (developed by Nicky Case): https://ncase.me/trust/
• Revolution in Poetic Language by Julia Kristeva (http://cup.columbia.edu/book/revolution-in-poetic-language/9780231056434)
• "The Mirror-Stage as Formative of the Function of the I as Revealed in Psychoanalytic Experience" by Jacques Lacan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_stage; http://www.sholetteseminars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/LacanMirrorPhase..pdf)
• The Birth of Tragedy by Friedrich Nietzsche and the ideas of "The Apollonian" vs "The Dionysian" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonian_and_Dionysian)

Music Notes:

Theme Music: "What u Thinkin? (Instrumental)" by Wataboi on Pixabay

Intermission Music: "Lazy Morning" Tim Moor on Pixabay