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b'In this episode, Rev Karla interviews Unconventional Pastor Paul, a mutual from the TikTok deconstructing community. They discuss their interpretations of the Christian Bible, the threat of Christian Nationalism, and the books that helped them open their minds to spirituality outside of organized religion on their deconstructing journeys. Rev Karla has more book recommendations on her website, and you can join Rev Karla\\u2019s book club to read one book every month. You can read more from Rev Karla in her blog post and watch the uncut version of this episode on YouTube. This is Pastor Paul\\u2019s second time on "Spirituality Matters," so be sure to go listen to their other episode as well.'