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Could a robot or an alien have a mind even though its physical structure may contain nothing similar to a human brain? To address this, philosopher Eric Schwitzgebel once again joins Richard Brown and Pete Mandik to finish what we started in episode 4, \u201cDeath and Logic.\u201d Here Richard defends brain-o-centrism against Eric\u2019s \u201ccrazy-ism\u201d (the view that something crazy has to be right about the metaphysics of consciousness) and Pete\u2019s pro-AI, born-again functionalism (the view that minds are multiply realizable or substrate independent). Our launch points for discussion are themes from Eric\u2019s recent essays, \u201cIf Materialism Is True, the United States is Probably Conscious\u201d and \u201cThe Crazyist Metaphysics of Mind."