Podcasts Technology Software Defined Talk Episode 99: Private cloud is the Reuben sandwich of clouds, or, Shafers Theory of (Private) Cloud

Episode 99: Private cloud is the Reuben sandwich of clouds, or, Shafers Theory of (Private) Cloud

Published: July 14, 2017, 3 a.m.

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Microsoft will ship it\\u2019s private cloud stack, Azure Stack, in September. Will this work? Will people buy it? What could you even put in that cloud? You can feel that pull people have towards private cloud, so we\\u2019re looking forward to what happens. On a related topic, by our reckoning, kubernetes to small to have already fallen. Also: the elusive Baltimore accent, Oracle and containers, and recommendations.

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Meta, follow-up, etc.

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  • Where does Matt Ray find all these stories?
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  • Patreon for this thing - like anyone who starts these things, I have no idea WTF it is, if it\\u2019s a good idea, or if I should be ashamed. Need some product/market fit.
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  • SDT Slack
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  • \\u201cNot all \\u2018guys.\\u2019\\u201d
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Mid-roll

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End-roll

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Up there in New England

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  • What is the Baltimore accent?
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  • Watching The Keepers, and it\\u2019s reminding me of John Water movies, but I can\\u2019t figure out the patterns of the accent.
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  • Season three of The Wire has samples.
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Oracle Enters the OCI-runtime with Railcar - Oracle, the dark-horse of The Container Wars

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  • Rust! Also Smith and Sidecar
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  • Oracle requires joint copyright assignment though\\u2026
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Azure Stack, coming in September

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  • Charges by consumption - how MIPS-y! \\u201cCompute charges start at .8 cents per virtual CPU per hour and go up from there, while storage starts at .6 cents per GB per hour. Those charges will be included in customers\\u2019 invoices for their overall use of Microsoft\\u2019s public cloud platform.\\u201d
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  • Hardware via partners: \\u201cThe exact pricing for Azure Stack hardware, including support contracts, will be up to each individual manufacturer. Microsoft is working with Dell EMC, Lenovo, HPE, Cisco, and Huawei to make the hardware available, and the first machines should be available in September.\\u201d
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  • IDC estimates private cloud HW at $34bn or so runrate (based on 3Q2016 estimates), with 8% q/q growth. So, not too shabby there. This doesn\\u2019t include software, Microsoft\\u2019s take.
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  • Scott Guthrie: \\u201cWe talked to lots of customers who said, please don\\u2019t do that [allow so much customization that it\'s hard to debug problems]. The model we came up with instead was to work with a large spectrum of hardware providers, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Cisco and Huawei. Those are the five largest server manufacturers in the world. They will have systems that start with three nodes, not massive big purchases, that you can unbox and plug in. And have a fully working cloud in a day or two. Regardless of whom you call, we own the whole solution.\\u201d
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  • Pivotal Cloud Foundry will run on it
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  • Microsoft has a rocky road of delivering on private cloud. But, I\\u2019d wager the get it this time.
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  • We discussed this on the most recent Pivotal Conversations, along with other delightful ephemera.
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K8s Days May Be Numbered

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  • Matt Asay strikes again!
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  • Funny how OpenStack is now a cautionary tale. See Cot\\xe9\\u2019s weasly, non-position on OpenStack in his May Register column.
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  • I thought Cote\\u2019 was going to write this one up? (see below)
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  • \\u201cWhitepaper review\\u201d a la The Weeds! \\n\\n
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    • You have to be careful how you read that 451 survey.
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    • On Asay\\u2019s 71%, Cot\\xe9 wrote: On that note, it\\u2019s easy to misread the widely quoted finding of \\u201c[n]early three-quarters (71 percent) of respondents indicated they are using Kubernetes\\u201d as meaning only Kubernetes. Actually, people are using many of them at once. The report clarifies this: \\u201cThe fact that almost 75% of organizations reported using Kubernetes while the same group also reported significant use of other container management and orchestration software is evidence of a mixed market.\\u201d
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    • Read: they\\u2019re trying everything. Nothing has won yet. Proving Asay\\u2019s point, but also defanging his link-bait lead.
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    • \\u201cIt seem far-fetched that Kubernetes could be heading for a fall\\u201d - there is no fall to be had because ascension hasn\\u2019t yet begin.
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    • The core base of 201 people are organizations already using containers, so it doesn\\u2019t include organizations not using containers.
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    • In a broader survey (where, presumably, not every enterprise was already using containers), of 300+ enterprises, production container use was: 19% in initial production, 8% were in broad production implementation.
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    • This isn\\u2019t to say there hasn\\u2019t been huge growth in this space, but it\\u2019s the huge growth of small numbers.
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    • This survey (though sponsored by CoreOS - I\\u2019m always suspicious of sponsored surveys, having worked on them myself!) is definitely worth paying attention to (as well as ongoing 451 and Gartner work here). Just make sure you read it right and don\\u2019t get too excited.
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    • See Cot\\xe9\\u2019s Notebook for more.
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  • (Related: I\\u2019ve been thinking we should do special, \\u201cpaid members only\\u201d [in Patreon?] \\u201cwhitepaper review\\u201d episodes. Because, let\\u2019s be honest: only people who liked us enough to pay would be interested in that.)
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  • Alright, now some vendor-sports:\\n\\n
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    • So, can a vendor be successful if they \\u201cchase\\u201d the standards? Do you need to be in OpenWhisk, and OCI shit to operate in this space? Do you need to be Java EE compliant?
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    • There may be no money in OSS, but maybe it\\u2019s the kingmaker, to steal O\\u2019Grady\\u2019s line.
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BONUS LINKS! Not covered in show.

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Could Facebook run on AWS?

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  • Lots of fun speculation with sizes of services and numbers of servers.
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  • From now on, this is the only content to send to people asking about running private cloud.
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  • \\u201cIn the real world it clearly wouldn\\u2019t make sense for Facebook to migrate over to AWS.\\u201c
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  • First of all...
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  • As John Willis would say, \\u201cI wanna be Ashlee Vance when I grow up.\\u201d Look at that guy: he\\u2019s kickin\\u2019 it no undershirt with the button-up style. Writes for Bloomberg, and only let\\u2019s just enough sass through in his tone to keep his broad, concise appeal but still have style that harkens back to his Register days.\\n\\n
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    • And he wrote that Elon Musk book. CASH MONEY!
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    • Second: \\u201cserverless is someone else\\u2019s server\\u201d manifest in 3D
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    • Third, a lot of people ask me, \\u201cCot\\xe9, how do I get a job like yours?\\u201d Writing a lot of posts like this is one answer.
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Thriving in a \\u201cPost AWS World\\u201d

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  • \\u201cWhy You Can Have the Advantages and Still Not Win\\u201d
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  • Touches on some of the previous conversations of anti-trust, how do you operate with a Goliath in your market?
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Distributions are Becoming Irrelevant

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  • \\u201cThe distribution users are, for most of the biggest projects, sysadmins.\\u201d
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  • Nice history of how developers and distros have long been at odds.
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  • Cot\\xe9: I recall reading this. Did I get the summary right?
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  • gems show that people will subvert the gate-keeper of being in the distro, thus, there is no power of a distro: people will just assemble whatever they want. Docker x10\\u2019s this.
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  • Linux distro people fight too much and are, sort of, bags of dicks that are making the evolution of distros slow and further irrelevant. Hey, guys, \\u201ccan\\u2019t we all just get along?\\u201d
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Future of Serverless?

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  • Link - that\\u2019s a helluva headline..
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  • Who can take on Lambda? OpenWhisk on K8s?
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IBM Backing off OpenStack?

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DevOps Insights from RightRelevance

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  • Wut?
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  • Echo chambers exist, but some folks and events cut through \\u201cflocks\\u201d
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  • IBM/Compuware stuff feels anomalous to me
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OpenBSD with Randomized Kernels

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Recommendations

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