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John Willis joins Matt and Cot\\xe9 for a discussion in this episode. We discuss John\'s upcoming book on Deming; the progress of automating audit, security; and compliance with DevOps-think, and then the general state of DevOps and platform engineering.

There\'s Q&A from the live-audience at the end as well.

Thanks to SCaLE 20x for taking the time to set this up for us and offering to do so. Both it and DevOpsDays LA were a great conferences, as we discuss in the episode.

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• Deming\\u2019s Journey to Profound Knowledge - John\'s upcoming book, co-authored by Derek Lews - "How Deming Helped Win a War, Altered the Face of Industry, and Holds the Key to Our Future." It\'ll be out in August, 2023. Pre-order here.
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• Investments Unlimited: A Novel About DevOps, Security, Audit Compliance, and Thriving in the Digital Age - A Novel about DevOps, Security, Audit Compliance, and Thriving in the Digital Age.
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• SCaLE 20x.
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• DevOpsDays LA.
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Special Guest: John Willis.