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In case you haven\'t heard, DevOps is dead. Again. To discuss its demise, Cot\\xe9 talks with Andrew Clay Shafer. They talk about a lot more: Andrew\'s new company, working with executives, sociotechnical systems, Andrew\'s recent SREcon talk in Amsterdam, and more.
\\n\\nYou can also watch the live recording of this episoded, unedited! It has a discussion of Cot\\xe9\'s podcast making recommendations at the start.
\\n\\nCheck out Andrew and friend\'s new company, Ergonautic, and, find him in Twitter as @littleidea.
Special Guest: Andrew Clay Shafer.
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