Episode 314: "That guy" and how to skip level

Published: July 25, 2022, noon

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In this episode, Dave and Jamison answer these questions:

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    Hi! Love the podcast and have been listening for a while.

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    I have a question about dealing with \\u201cthat guy\\u201d on the team. I\\u2019ve been through several teams throughout my career, and every once in a while, I get on a team where there\\u2019s always a \\u201cthat guy\\u201d that everyone seems to tiptoe around. They\\u2019re the type that would yell and scream to have everything go their way, and they\\u2019re typically very blunt to anyone, saying things in a really hurtful way. These people can either be technical or on the product side, but I\\u2019ve found it really difficult to work with people like this.

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    After working long enough with \\u201cthat guy\\u201d, it seems the common thing people do is just to say \\u201cOh, that\\u2019s just so-and-so.\\u201d or \\u201cThat\\u2019s just the way so-and-so is.\\u201d, which I feel is the only thing you can do, but that just doesn\\u2019t sit right with me because it\\u2019s incredibly toxic.

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    I don\\u2019t think the solution is to just fire people like this, but it boggles my mind how so many teams just let this kind of behavior happen because the manager can\\u2019t or won\\u2019t take any action other than give them a talking to, which seems to just allow the behavior to continue because there are no consequences.

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    Have you ever dealt with situations like this? And if so, how do you normally handle it without just ignoring it?

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    I am a senior FE engineer and I have recurring 1-1s with my skip level manager (manager of my manager) who is the Head of Engineering at the unicorn I work for. I usually ask what is top of mind for them (usually hiring), give feedback about my manager, and get additional feedback on bigger picture things I\\u2019m working on (e.g. we\\u2019re currently working on metrics to measure impact and value of our design system and other internal tooling). What else would you ask them to make the best use of this time?

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