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b'Dr. Leslie Vinjamuri of SOAS University interviews Professors Tanja B\\xf6rzel and Thomas Risse of the Otto-Suhr-Institute for Political Science, Freie Universit\\xe4t Berlin on "Governance Without Hierarchy? Effective and Legitimate in Areas of Limited Statehood".\\n\\nTanja B\\xf6rzel is professor of political science and holds the Chair for European Integration at the Otto-Suhr-Institute for Political Science, Freie Universit\\xe4t Berlin. She is coordinator of the Research College "The Transformative Power of Europe", together with Thomas Risse, as well as the FP7-Collaborative Project \\u201cMaximizing the Enlargement Capacity of the European Union\\u201d and the H2020 Collaborative Project \\u201cThe EU and Eastern Partnership Countries: An Inside-Out Analysis and Strategic Assessment\\u201d. She also directs the Jean Monnet Center of Excellence \\u201cEurope and its Citizens\\u201d. Her recent publications include \\u201cFrom Europeanization to Diffusion\\u201d, Business and Governance in South Africa. Racing to the Top?, Governance Transfer by Regional Organizations and The Oxford Handbook of Comparative Regionalism.\\n\\nThomas Risse is professor of international relations at the Otto Suhr Institute of Political Science at the Freie Universit\\xe4t Berlin. He is co-ordinator of the Research Center 700 \'Governance of Areas of Limited Statehood\' and co-director of the Research College \'Transformative Power of Europe\', both funded by the German Research Foundation (DFG). His latest publications include the Oxford Handbook of Comparative Regionalism, European Public Spheres. Politics is Back, \\u201cExternal Actors, State-Building, and Service Provision in Areas of Limited Statehood\\u201d.'