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A good policeman is able to understand how the criminal carried out the crime. Shouldn't the same be true for security professionals? In this podcast, John Clarke, Jason Flood, Maria Hyland and Trevor McWeeney, all of IBM Ireland, have a spirited conversation about the many benefits of red on blue cyber training. Listen now, and read the accompanying blog [https://ibm.co/2wodUAD], to learn all about red on blue cyber training, including whether the blue team needs to win in order for the experience to be valuable. You can also download the X-Force research report, "Using Gamification to Enhance Security Skills" [https://ibm.co/2woedLZ] and read about the IBM X-Force Command Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts: https://ibm.co/2w9H6My.