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"I think that writing also is among the things that help me think this through and get there. When I finished my degree, I was actually very pessimistic - I had no idea that at close to age 55-56 that a psychoanalytic institute would even consider me but I did decide to take the leap and I ended up going to BPSI [Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute] and here I am." \\u2014 Ellen Pinsky\\xa0

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"The training time was a time of discovering - we read the authors I knew, and what was happening to me also at that moment, what kind of an analyst would I be during and after the training? My background encouraged me to go on - when it was difficult to go on searching for the truth, searching for the knowledge, but the knowledge about myself during the training and it went on in my actual training analysis." \\u2014Susana Merlo\\xa0

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Episode Description: We discuss Susana\'s and Ellen\'s first careers in education and what led them "to wish to go deeper." They both describe the formative contributions of their own analyses as well as the influence of analytic writers that they valued. We consider the possible advantages and disadvantages of each of the many backgrounds that we bring to our clinical work and share conclusions about the similarities and differences in how we practice. We discuss some of their favorite writers and we conclude with their perspectives on the future of psychoanalysis both in the States and in Argentina.\\xa0

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Our Guests:\\xa0

Susana Ruth Merlo is a member of APdeBA (Asociaci\\xf3n Psicoanal\\xedtica de Buenos Aires, Argentina) and holds a position as an Associated Professor at IUSAM of APdeBA (Instituto Universitario de Salud Mental de APdeBA), where she teaches Introduction to the ideas of Melanie Klein and English School. She provided school psychological services in school settings for 15 years. At present provides therapy to children, adolescents, and adults in a private clinic setting. Susana holds two university degrees, School Psychology (1986) and Clinical Psychology (2007).\\xa0

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Ellen Pinsky came to psychoanalysis as a second profession following 25 years as a middle school English teacher. She says her experience in the classroom with 12 and 13-year-olds taught her most of what she needed to know to become a credible clinician. She is the author of Death and Fallibility in the Psychoanalytic Encounter: Mortal Gifts. About her book, Thomas Ogden writes: \\u201cMortal Gifts is a necessary book\\u2014necessary for analysts and necessary for the analyses they conduct. In it, Ellen addresses a long-neglected issue in the practice of psychoanalysis: the analyst\\u2019s failure to include in the very fiber of the analysis the fact of his or her mortality.\\u201d In 2014 she was awarded BPSI\\u2019s Deutsch Prize for her essay \\u201cThe Olympian Delusion\\u201d (JAPA, 2011)\\xa0

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Recommended Readings:\\xa0

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Bion, W. Learning from experience. Aprendiendo de la Experiencia Paid\\xf3s, (2009) Bs.As.\\xa0

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Hustvedt, S. The Sorrows of an American. Eleg\\xeda para un Americano. Anagrama (2009) Barcelona.\\xa0

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Klein, M. Our adult world and its roots in infancy. Nuestro Mundo Adulto y Sus Ra\\xedces en la Infancia. En Envidia y Gratitud, OC. Paid\\xf3s (1991) Bs.As.\\xa0

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Meltzer, D. A Psychoanalytical Model of the Child in the Family in the Community. Familia y Comunidad, Spatia editorial (1990) Bs. As.\\xa0

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Nemas, C. Strangers in Virtual Land. Toronto Psychoanalytic Society \\u2013 22nd Annual day in applied psychoanalysis (2021)\\xa0

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1. Freud, Observations on Transference Love (1915)

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Remembering, Repeating and Working-through (1914)\\xa0

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1. Freud, Fort-Da\\u201d from Beyond the Pleasure Principle, (1920, 14-15)

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Paula Heimann, On Counter-transference (1950)\\xa0

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1. W. Winnicott, The Use of an Object (1969)

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Hans Loewald, On the Therapeutic Action of Psychoanalysis (1960)\\xa0

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James Strachey, The Nature of the Therapeutic Action of Psychoanalysis (1934)\\xa0

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Brian Bird, Notes on Transference (1972)\\xa0

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Betty Joseph, Transference: The Total Situation (1985)\\xa0

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Ida Macalpine, The Development of Transference (1950)\\xa0

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Irma Brenman Pick, Working through in the Countertransference (1985);\\xa0

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Selma Fraiberg, Ghosts in the Nursery (1975)\\xa0

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Hans Loewald, Transference and Love (2000 [1988] 549-563)\\xa0

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Ella Freeman Sharpe, The Technique of Psychoanalysis, (on \\u201cQualifying as an analyst,\\u201d 1930, 256-257).\\xa0